[00:00:00] Speaker 03: Case number 23-3227, United States of America versus Janet Joseph Owen Thomas at balance. [00:00:08] Speaker 03: Mr. Roots for the at balance. [00:00:10] Speaker 03: Mr. Andrews for the appellate. [00:00:14] Speaker 02: Good morning, Mr. Roots. [00:00:16] Speaker 02: Good morning. [00:00:16] Speaker 02: Thank you, Your Honor. [00:00:18] Speaker 02: Before we proceed, if you are wearing a hat and it's not a religious headgear, then please remove. [00:00:28] Speaker 02: All right. [00:00:29] Speaker 02: Please proceed. [00:00:31] Speaker 03: Thank you, Your Honor. [00:00:32] Speaker 03: May it please this honorable court, I represent Mr. Kenneth Joseph Thomas. [00:00:37] Speaker 03: He is in federal prison serving almost five years for a case that really should never have been more than a disorderly conduct case. [00:00:46] Speaker 03: He was convicted of four counts. [00:00:48] Speaker 03: He was actually charged with five counts of assault under 18 U.S. [00:00:52] Speaker 03: Code Section 111A and some other charges. [00:00:58] Speaker 03: There are so many reversible errors in this case that it's almost I guess appropriate for me to just talk about the totality of the trial being so lopsided with the court's rulings so favoring the prosecution that it was essentially it was it was a trial in name. [00:01:21] Speaker 03: The defense was constantly warned and threatened. [00:01:23] Speaker 03: In fact, both of us lawyers at this trial were warned by the judge, and we were under the impression we were going to be arrested at the end of the trial or held in contempt or submitted to the bar for discipline if we advocated too zealously, if we crossed a line. [00:01:39] Speaker 03: And we were warned several times by the judge about this. [00:01:41] Speaker 03: This totally chilled the atmosphere of our advocacy in that trial. [00:01:51] Speaker 03: I'll just highlight a few things, because there's so many different reversible errors in this case. [00:01:57] Speaker 03: The denial of a missing witness instruction. [00:01:59] Speaker 03: So this was a case where Mr. Thomas was convicted of assaulting four officers, two of whom never even showed up to testify. [00:02:09] Speaker 03: They weren't there. [00:02:11] Speaker 03: But officers came to testify who were next to them or nearby. [00:02:16] Speaker 03: And those officers provided the evidence for these so-called assaults. [00:02:22] Speaker 03: We asked for a missing witness instruction so that the, this is an ancient rule of evidence, an ancient rule of evidence that where one side really has control of its witnesses and has the witnesses would obviously be on one side and one side is not producing them or important evidence that the jury is free to infer. [00:02:45] Speaker 03: They don't have to, but they're free to infer that those witnesses probably would have provided some adverse testimony. [00:02:53] Speaker 03: Now, the judge in this case, Judge Friedrich said, well, we, the defense, in our case in chief, we're free to call. [00:03:00] Speaker 03: We don't need missing witness instruction because we could call these witnesses in our case in chief. [00:03:05] Speaker 03: Now, these are the so-called victims alleged, the victims of Mr. Thomas. [00:03:10] Speaker 03: Just think of how preposterous this rule would be that the defense has a burden to call his alleged victims in his case in chief, as opposed to being able to point out the government failed to call those witnesses. [00:03:25] Speaker 03: These are the most important, these are the victims of the crime. [00:03:28] Speaker 02: The court held basically that- Mr. Roots, I've seen and I've tried lots of cases where the victim didn't testify, domestic violence cases, all sorts of cases. [00:03:40] Speaker 02: never seen or received a missing witness instruction on single one. [00:03:46] Speaker 03: Sure. [00:03:47] Speaker 03: Uh, let's put it this way. [00:03:48] Speaker 03: We all are familiar with this statute 18 us code 111 a it has these six verbs, assaulting, comma, resisting, comma, opposing, comma, I think impeding, comma, intimidating. [00:04:00] Speaker 03: Um, [00:04:01] Speaker 03: It's probably absolutely appropriate for other people, not the victim, to take the stand and testify about an assault, let's say from 100 feet away, a kick, a hit, a strike of some kind, or you say, as you say, a domestic violence case, injuries. [00:04:15] Speaker 03: That's perfectly appropriate. [00:04:17] Speaker 03: But in a case where obviously the jury found one of those other verbs, opposing or [00:04:24] Speaker 03: interfering with one of those other verbs. [00:04:26] Speaker 03: And it's clear in this case, the jury only found that there were misdemeanor counts that the jury acquitted on. [00:04:33] Speaker 03: There was a misdemeanor called committing an act of violence at the U.S. [00:04:36] Speaker 03: Capitol. [00:04:37] Speaker 03: The jury totally acquitted. [00:04:38] Speaker 03: That means the jury understood there was no violence by Mr. Thomas. [00:04:42] Speaker 03: So it would have been one of those other verbs, opposing, interfering with whatever. [00:04:46] Speaker 03: And I think we all would agree that [00:04:49] Speaker 03: As we travel down those verbs toward the end, we start with assault, and it gets to opposing, intimidating, interfering with. [00:04:56] Speaker 03: The subjective perspective of the victim becomes more important. [00:05:01] Speaker 03: And in this case, we don't have the victims. [00:05:04] Speaker 03: And I think the jury should have been allowed to infer, wait a minute, this is very strange. [00:05:09] Speaker 03: The government is saying that there were these two assault victims. [00:05:12] Speaker 03: They never showed up. [00:05:13] Speaker 03: What's going on here? [00:05:14] Speaker 03: This was, if ever, [00:05:16] Speaker 03: In this district, in this circuit, the missing witness doctrine is dead right now, and it's an ancient rule of evidence, and it should be revived. [00:05:24] Speaker 03: And this is the absolute greatest case to revive it in, because frankly, in no other case is it a better teed up issue. [00:05:33] Speaker 03: The district judge just said, oh, you can calm yourselves. [00:05:37] Speaker 03: Think of how tactically stupid and foolish it would be for a defense lawyer. [00:05:41] Speaker 03: to call an adverse witness in front of a live jury when you don't know what the witness is going to say. [00:05:46] Speaker 03: It's just preposterous. [00:05:49] Speaker 03: If ever there were a case to revive the missing witness doctrine, it is this case. [00:05:56] Speaker 01: Could I ask you about assault? [00:06:02] Speaker 01: I'm not necessarily persuaded that all of these counts [00:06:10] Speaker 01: involved assault. [00:06:12] Speaker 01: But 111 is not limited to assault. [00:06:15] Speaker 01: As you say, there are a string of verbs on down to and including interference. [00:06:24] Speaker 01: So the counts where there's no running towards the officers are hitting the officers. [00:06:31] Speaker 01: If someone is just dug in passively resisting, [00:06:37] Speaker 01: or making contact in a way that doesn't threaten physical injury. [00:06:42] Speaker 01: 111 covers all of that. [00:06:46] Speaker 03: Sure, but this, I think the fact that it's a felony conviction, whereas it really should be misdemeanor disorderly conduct. [00:06:56] Speaker 01: Felony is triggered by the intent to commit the other offense and he was convicted of the civil disorder. [00:07:04] Speaker 03: Yeah, but the judge imposed such a lopsided sort of set of restrictions that Mr. Thomas was essentially compelled to take the stand. [00:07:14] Speaker 03: He was forced to take the stand because the judge denied the expert witness on use of force for us. [00:07:20] Speaker 01: Sorry, just hang with me for a second on assault versus interference. [00:07:25] Speaker 01: Yeah. [00:07:25] Speaker 01: Why aren't all these counts [00:07:28] Speaker 01: comfortably for civil interference. [00:07:31] Speaker 01: Well, because it is intent to commit the civil disorder offense. [00:07:37] Speaker 03: Let's put it this way. [00:07:38] Speaker 03: It is in the context of civil disobedience. [00:07:42] Speaker 03: So this is very common, as we all know, in mass. [00:07:44] Speaker 03: Civil disorder. [00:07:46] Speaker 03: Well, civil disobedience is a recognized First Amendment thing where someone does a sit down or a die in or a sit in and expects that officers are going to come, as they do, [00:07:57] Speaker 03: they always do, with lots of riot gear and body armor and shields, and that they will be pushed away, pushed out, ultimately probably arrested for misdemeanors. [00:08:05] Speaker 03: We've all seen this a thousand times. [00:08:08] Speaker 03: That was Mr. Thomas's defense, was that he was passively resisting. [00:08:14] Speaker 03: He was committing, if anything, a misdemeanor, expecting probably, hey, a misdemeanor charge. [00:08:19] Speaker 02: He's sitting in federal prison. [00:08:21] Speaker 02: On sufficiency of the evidence, we don't rule whether a jury could have [00:08:26] Speaker 02: believed or bought or been persuaded by that defense. [00:08:30] Speaker 02: We review whether there is no reasonable jury that could find, taking all the evidence in the light most favorable to the government, the elements beyond the reasonable doubt. [00:08:43] Speaker 03: Yes, the most important word in the statute is force. [00:08:47] Speaker 03: So Mr. Thomas was convicted of this felony charge force forcefully intimidating forcefully opposing when in fact there's not sufficient evidence for that. [00:08:56] Speaker 02: He's on video tape yelling hold the line and locking arms with people and pushing back and forth. [00:09:02] Speaker 02: That's not force. [00:09:04] Speaker 03: It is passive resistance in the line of all the jury couldn't find that that's force. [00:09:11] Speaker 03: It certainly was not aggressive force. [00:09:14] Speaker 03: It was not offensive force. [00:09:20] Speaker 03: We all know that scene at the end of the day, this is four o'clock in the afternoon. [00:09:24] Speaker 03: Basically the officers had come with sufficient numbers to retake the Capitol grounds and they were pushing all the protesters out and away to the grounds and out into the city. [00:09:35] Speaker 03: And Mr. Thomas was there with so many others. [00:09:38] Speaker 03: who were trying to do whatever they could. [00:09:40] Speaker 02: Maybe the protesters take the cap. [00:09:43] Speaker 02: If the officers had to retake, did they take it by force? [00:09:47] Speaker 03: Mr Thomas certainly did not. [00:09:48] Speaker 03: He was not among the initial. [00:09:50] Speaker 03: He did not breach the capital. [00:09:52] Speaker 03: He came later. [00:09:56] Speaker 03: I will sit down and reserve my all right. [00:09:58] Speaker 02: We'll give you some time on rebuttal. [00:10:00] Speaker 02: Thank you so much. [00:10:12] Speaker 02: Mr Andrews. [00:10:15] Speaker 00: Good morning and may please the court. [00:10:17] Speaker 00: Peter Andrews on behalf of the United States. [00:10:20] Speaker 00: Mr Thomas received a fair trial. [00:10:23] Speaker 00: His convictions were supported by sufficient evidence and any sentencing error was harmless. [00:10:27] Speaker 00: So this court should affirm his convictions and sentence. [00:10:30] Speaker 00: I'll turn first to the assault issue that you were discussing with [00:10:35] Speaker 00: Mr. Thomas's counsel. [00:10:37] Speaker 00: There was sufficient evidence to show that Mr. Thomas committed each of the assaults he was charged with. [00:10:42] Speaker 00: He used some quantum of force in each of the interactions with the officer, which is enough to satisfy the forcibly requirement of the statute. [00:10:52] Speaker 00: Mr. Thomas makes the argument in his reply brief term forcibly requires violent force. [00:11:01] Speaker 00: That is not correct. [00:11:03] Speaker 00: The statute only requires some amount of forceful contact, mirroring the requirements of common law assault battery. [00:11:10] Speaker 00: Courts have rejected the argument that 111 requires violence. [00:11:14] Speaker 00: And the case he relies on, which is United States versus Johnson, is just not on point because Johnson is about interpreting the phrase physical force within the context of the statutory category, violent felonies. [00:11:26] Speaker 00: So the Supreme Court's logic in Johnson follows from the use of the term violent in the statute. [00:11:32] Speaker 00: And there's no reason to import that same logic here into 111 where violence is not mentioned in the statute. [00:11:39] Speaker 00: As the videos show, Mr. Thomas, in each of the interactions with law enforcement, at a minimum, made physical contact with them or was acting with the intent to commit another felony, civil disorder. [00:11:52] Speaker 00: So there was sufficient evidence supporting each of his convictions. [00:11:57] Speaker 00: I'll also just briefly touch on the missing witness issue raised by Mr. Thomas's counsel. [00:12:05] Speaker 00: The missing witness instruction is appropriate when there's an inference to be drawn that the government did something wrong by not calling the witness. [00:12:12] Speaker 00: That inference is not appropriate here. [00:12:15] Speaker 00: Each of the assaults was captured on video, and the witnesses were within Mr. Thomas's can to call if he believed that they would help elucidate the transaction in his favor. [00:12:29] Speaker 00: They were known to him [00:12:30] Speaker 00: So this is unlike the missing witness cases where, for example, you have a confidential informant who's uniquely within the government's ability to control. [00:12:40] Speaker 00: There was no reason for the district court to give a missing witness instruction here, and she correctly declined to give one. [00:12:48] Speaker 02: Does the witness have to be uniquely within the government's control in order for defense to be entitled to the instruction? [00:12:59] Speaker 02: And have we ever said that? [00:13:01] Speaker 00: Yeah. [00:13:02] Speaker 00: So the rule is that the witness has to be peculiarly or uniquely in the government's control. [00:13:08] Speaker 00: So there has to be some reason why the defendant is unable to identify or call that witness. [00:13:14] Speaker 00: So this comes up in informant cases and confidential or cases where the government is the only person who knows where to track down a witness so they can be called for trial. [00:13:24] Speaker 00: It doesn't extend to a case where [00:13:26] Speaker 00: The officer involved in the transaction is absolutely known. [00:13:29] Speaker 00: He's on the witness list. [00:13:31] Speaker 00: They know what agency he works for. [00:13:33] Speaker 00: There's no reason why Mr. Thomas couldn't have called this case. [00:13:38] Speaker 00: If there are no further questions from the panel and any of the other issues. [00:13:44] Speaker 00: We'd ask that this court affirm Mr. Thomas's convictions and sentence. [00:13:48] Speaker 00: Thank you. [00:13:50] Speaker 02: Thank you. [00:13:51] Speaker 02: Mr Roots, I believe you only had 24 seconds, but we'll give you two minutes. [00:13:56] Speaker 03: Okay, thank you. [00:13:57] Speaker 03: Um, the government just stood here and said that a missing and missing witness instruction would have suggested that the government did something wrong. [00:14:06] Speaker 03: The government did something wrong in this case. [00:14:09] Speaker 03: It falsely convicted an innocent man of a crime, two crimes, several crimes that he did not commit. [00:14:15] Speaker 03: That is something wrong. [00:14:16] Speaker 03: And the jury has a right to be informed of this [00:14:20] Speaker 03: principle of evidence which they can reject or accept that they can draw an adverse inference when a most important material, important witness in a trial is not called by the government. [00:14:32] Speaker 03: The very victim, the so-called victim of the assaults are not called. [00:14:36] Speaker 03: And so I just submit they are doing something wrong and the jury had a right to understand this. [00:14:43] Speaker 03: And I'll just add that all four officers in which Mr. Thomas was convicted of [00:14:50] Speaker 03: 111A. [00:14:52] Speaker 03: All of them barely remembered Mr. Thomas at all. [00:14:55] Speaker 03: They didn't write any reports saying they'd been assaulted, intimidated, coerced, anything by Mr. Thomas. [00:15:01] Speaker 03: No written reports. [00:15:02] Speaker 03: Didn't remember. [00:15:03] Speaker 03: They only remembered once the government saw showed them videos. [00:15:06] Speaker 03: Oh yeah, there's that guy there. [00:15:08] Speaker 03: They expressed fear, but it was fear of the crowd, the moment, the riot, essentially. [00:15:13] Speaker 03: With that, I thank you so much, Your Honors. [00:15:15] Speaker 02: Thank you. [00:15:15] Speaker 02: We'll take the case under advisement.