[00:00:00] Speaker 02: Number 20-1723, Amarin Forma, Inc. [00:00:04] Speaker 02: versus Hickman Pharmaceuticals USA, Mr. Singer. [00:00:09] Speaker 01: Thank you, Your Honor. [00:00:10] Speaker 01: May it please the court, Jonathan Singer, for the Amarin Appellants. [00:00:14] Speaker 01: The district court's errors in this case led it to a conclusion that contradicted medical knowledge at the time of the inventions. [00:00:21] Speaker 01: Namely, what that the art had been unable to achieve for upwards of 30 years was nonetheless obvious to the person of ordinary skill, a treatment for severe [00:00:30] Speaker 01: hypertriglyceridemia, I'm going to say HTG to make everybody's life easier, that did not raise bad cholesterol and thereby raised the risk of heart disease in patients with this condition. [00:00:40] Speaker 01: This district court got there by impermissibly discounting and shaping the real-world evidence of non-obviousness that Amarin presented to fit its already-found conclusion. [00:00:51] Speaker 01: At A69, it weighed found secondary indicia against those it didn't find and relied on this impermissible approach to find Amarin's case weak. [00:01:01] Speaker 01: At A67, it improperly discounted its finding of long-felt need because it had already found an asserted prima facie case. [00:01:09] Speaker 01: And at A68, it used its prima facie case to reject evidence of skepticism without supporting evidence in the record, and then erroneously rejected unexpected results based on a mistaken belief that the Kurabayashi reference wasn't before the examiner. [00:01:28] Speaker 01: This court's precedents like in-race cyclopentaprene and others require more. [00:01:32] Speaker 01: They require the district court to give credence to those objective conditions that are proven and to consider them in the obviousness analysis, and not to treat them, if you will, as an afterthought. [00:01:46] Speaker 01: In the case, excuse me, in the courts of opinion. [00:01:49] Speaker 02: We've had cases like Novo and others that have said there's nothing wrong [00:01:56] Speaker 02: with following the prima facie case approach. [00:02:00] Speaker 02: And as a panel, we're bound by those cases. [00:02:04] Speaker 02: So what's the problem if that basic approach is permissible? [00:02:11] Speaker 01: In respect to the prima facie approach, Judge Dyke, in NOVO, for example, even if the prima facie case approach is still followed, the objective and issue have to be given. [00:02:20] Speaker 01: They're due. [00:02:21] Speaker 01: In NOVA, there was no weighing of secondary indicia against each other as the district court did here. [00:02:26] Speaker 01: There's no one's decided any authority to support that. [00:02:30] Speaker 01: There was no devaluing of an individual objective indicia. [00:02:33] Speaker 02: Let's take those one at a time. [00:02:37] Speaker 02: You suggest that the weighing of indicia against each other was something that district court did. [00:02:46] Speaker 02: And while there is a stray sentence that suggests that, [00:02:49] Speaker 02: Isn't it pretty clear that he's reaching the conclusion about the weighing of the secondary considerations against the prima facie case of obviousness giving full credit to whatever factors he found supported the patentees such as commercial success? [00:03:18] Speaker 01: And I disagree, Your Honor. [00:03:21] Speaker 01: The paragraph about weighing the secondary considerations is on page 69. [00:03:26] Speaker 01: And the only basis given for finding, putting aside the factual errors on skepticism and unexpected results, the only fact, the only reason given by the court to find Ameren's case on secondary indicia as weak in relation to the prima facie case. [00:03:45] Speaker 01: was that they were outweighed. [00:03:47] Speaker 01: The ones that Amarin proved were outweighed by the ones that defendants succeeded in showing that Amarin didn't prove according to the court. [00:03:57] Speaker 01: That's the only reason given by the court. [00:03:59] Speaker 01: That's not what the case law allows in terms of weighing with respect to the prima facie approach of using secondary indicia. [00:04:09] Speaker 01: Those secondary indicia are used to see whether or not it's checked, to see whether or not the prima facie case [00:04:15] Speaker 01: uh... is correct and and not as something to be uh... uh... to be weighed against each other when someone presents evidence of secondary indisha if they prove some and don't prove others you don't weigh those against each other and that's clearly what the district court the district court did the district court also counselor this is a judge arena your position as i understand it is that the court reached a legal conclusion of obviousness before it turned to [00:04:44] Speaker 03: the objective indicia. [00:04:47] Speaker 03: Is that correct? [00:04:48] Speaker 03: Yes, it's correct. [00:04:49] Speaker 03: Okay. [00:04:50] Speaker 03: Point us now in the record where your best source for that proposition. [00:04:57] Speaker 01: I think you can look at, Judge Raina, at A... Let me get to it here. [00:05:05] Speaker 01: There's multiple places, actually. [00:05:07] Speaker 01: At A57, right under the very first line of the obvious analysis, [00:05:13] Speaker 01: There is an initial matter the court is persuaded the defendants presented clear and convincing evidence at trial that all asserted claims are invalid as obvious. [00:05:22] Speaker 02: And then and only then goes into the... An initial matter, initial matter would seem to be a reference to the prima facie case. [00:05:31] Speaker 01: And your honor, it might be if there was then consideration, if the consideration of the prima facie case didn't then bleed into the consideration of the objective edition. [00:05:42] Speaker 01: I point you to our argument about skepticism, for example, that the consideration of skepticism by the court, it's a clear example, where the court's prima facie view that Maury taught or was enough to teach the use of this compound in severe hypertrichlosuridemia meant that the experts who had expressed skepticism couldn't possibly have been aware of Maury because it was inconsistent with Maury. [00:06:10] Speaker 01: That's allowing the prima facie case, the conclusion to bleed into the consideration of the secondary edition and showing that the long felt need, the district court clearly in considering the long felt need discounted it because the court had found a prima facie case. [00:06:28] Speaker 01: At page A67, the court says, and in finding a long felt need, the court says, thus the asserted claims represent an improvement [00:06:37] Speaker 01: albeit a prima facie obvious one over the prior arc. [00:06:41] Speaker 01: The Longfell need is supposed to cause the court to question whether or not the prima facie case is correct, not as a somehow undercut the finding of Longfell need. [00:06:52] Speaker 01: In addition, I think the other aspect of this, if you look at the opinion, is the finding, excuse me, I want to look at A, find it right, [00:07:06] Speaker 01: At A61, the court talks about the prima facie case as defendants having met their clear and convincing evidence burden. [00:07:17] Speaker 01: And some having found that defendants met their clear and convincing evidence at A61 to prove their prima facie obfuscate case at trial, the court turns to consideration of plaintiffs' second evidence. [00:07:27] Speaker 03: Counsel, let's go back to the Novo case. [00:07:31] Speaker 03: At what point did the court reach the legal conclusion of obfuscate? [00:07:37] Speaker 03: Right when it made established what it thought is a prima facie case, or did it look at the entire evidence that was before it? [00:07:44] Speaker 01: In our case, the district court reached its conclusion of obvious... No, in Novo. [00:07:51] Speaker 01: Oh, in Novo. [00:07:53] Speaker 01: In Novo, I think the issue in Novo, the court used the prima facie case, as I recall Novo, the court used a strong prima facie case kind of rubric [00:08:05] Speaker 01: and then use the secondary considerations to see whether or not they could overcome the prima facie case. [00:08:13] Speaker 01: And that was the rubric used in the Novo case. [00:08:17] Speaker 01: And in this case, that rubric wasn't used. [00:08:19] Speaker 01: There's no indication in the opinion that the district court found this to be a strong prima facie case. [00:08:25] Speaker 01: It just went through the prima facie case and said defendants had met their burden, and then and only then went to the secondary indicia. [00:08:33] Speaker 01: Does that answer your question, Judge, right now? [00:08:35] Speaker 03: Yes, enough anyway. [00:08:38] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:08:39] Speaker 01: You're welcome. [00:08:39] Speaker 01: You're welcome. [00:08:40] Speaker 01: And I would also encourage the court with respect to the secondary indicia to look at how that, I mentioned it before, but I'll mention it again, how the consideration of the prima facie case bled into the secondary indicia and that there's no, that's not how it's supposed to work. [00:09:00] Speaker 01: It's supposed to be the opposite, right? [00:09:01] Speaker 01: I just talked about the long felt need, but again, the skepticism. [00:09:05] Speaker 01: Skepticism is often called powerful evidence of non-obviousness. [00:09:09] Speaker 01: And this is on the direct point, this is on the precise point of obviousness from defendants, that persons of skill would have had a reasonable expectation that LDLC would not go up with EPA. [00:09:22] Speaker 01: Amherst hired a panel of experts to consider its clinical trials in 2008. [00:09:27] Speaker 01: Those experts, one of the main comments they gave was that the LDLC is likely to go up [00:09:34] Speaker 01: as it does with all these therapies. [00:09:37] Speaker 01: And then the district court rejected that as saying, well, that's inconsistent with what Maury teaches, according to the district court, as found in the Freeman-Fasher case. [00:09:46] Speaker 01: And the bleeding over of that finding into the consideration of skepticism is improper and shows and proves. [00:09:52] Speaker 01: To the extent you have any question about rhetoric or semantics of the district court's opinion, it shows how the district court. [00:10:00] Speaker 02: I don't understand exactly what you're saying. [00:10:04] Speaker 02: At page 69, the district court said they found weak evidence of secondary considerations which did not weigh the prima facie case of obviousness. [00:10:14] Speaker 02: So he certainly considered the secondary factors in weighing them against the prima facie case. [00:10:23] Speaker 02: And the fact that he mentioned evidence which is relevant to secondary consideration [00:10:31] Speaker 02: in connection with the prima facie case and perhaps vice versa, I don't understand what's the matter with that. [00:10:39] Speaker 02: I mean, there may be evidence which could be relevant to each of those inquiries so that you necessarily have some overlap. [00:10:52] Speaker 01: I agree as a overall matter, Judge Teich. [00:10:56] Speaker 01: And first off, I just want to remind the court that the finding that [00:10:59] Speaker 01: the showing was weak was based on the impermissible weighing of the secondary indicia against each other. [00:11:06] Speaker 01: And while I agree that certainly evidence can be relevant to both prima facie case and the finding of secondary indicia, in consideration of skepticism, the reason for rejecting the skepticism at page 68 was that the experts view that LDLC is likely to go up, as it does with virtually all these therapies, [00:11:28] Speaker 01: was it doesn't appear to account for Maury because the district court had found that Maury taught, according to the district court, that it wouldn't go up. [00:11:38] Speaker 01: And so the district court found that the finding on its prima facie case bled into it and it disregarded the fact that the experts were aware of Maury. [00:11:47] Speaker 01: As if the experts knew about Maury and so this was a finding [00:11:51] Speaker 01: sort of shaped, if you will. [00:11:53] Speaker 01: It's a clear error based on the fact that the experts were aware of Maury and also shows the bleeding over of the Primaficia case. [00:12:01] Speaker 02: It's an error to consider whether the experts were aware of this aspect of Maury? [00:12:09] Speaker 02: How's that? [00:12:11] Speaker 01: Your Honor, that's not what I'm saying. [00:12:13] Speaker 01: I'm saying it's not an error to consider whether the experts were aware of Maury. [00:12:18] Speaker 01: It's an error to find that they weren't when they were. [00:12:21] Speaker 01: That's a clear error. [00:12:23] Speaker 01: But it's an error to use the conclusion that the experts, excuse me, the conclusion that Maury taught according to the district court, no LDLC lowering in severe ATU population is somehow undercutting the skepticism, if you will. [00:12:44] Speaker 01: Saying, well, the experts expressed skepticism as to whether LDLC would go up. [00:12:49] Speaker 01: I find that the prior Art Mori teaches that it won't. [00:12:53] Speaker 01: So therefore, the expert view doesn't account to Mori. [00:12:56] Speaker 01: That's what the district court did. [00:12:58] Speaker 01: And that shows the bleeding over in the other ways I described of that finding that the fact that the district court found obviousness first and then went to analyze the secondary edition. [00:13:12] Speaker 01: All right. [00:13:13] Speaker 02: I think we're out of time unless my colleagues have further questions. [00:13:17] Speaker 02: Are there any further questions here? [00:13:19] Speaker 02: No. [00:13:21] Speaker 02: Hearing Mr. Senator, we'll give you two minutes for rebuttal, and we'll hear from Mr. Klein. [00:13:29] Speaker 00: Thank you, Your Honor. [00:13:30] Speaker 00: May it please the court, Charles Klein, for the defendants. [00:13:35] Speaker 00: Amarin's appeal is challenging a ruling that the district court never even made. [00:13:40] Speaker 00: According to Amarin, the court reached an ultimate conclusion of obviousness, ultimate conclusion of obviousness [00:13:47] Speaker 00: before addressing secondary considerations. [00:13:51] Speaker 00: But that is not what happened. [00:13:52] Speaker 00: We heard some of that in the colloquy already. [00:13:55] Speaker 00: But that's just not what happened. [00:13:57] Speaker 00: The court found prima facie obviousness, was very careful to make it clear that the court was finding only prima facie obviousness, cited the relevant standards, then addressed secondary considerations, [00:14:12] Speaker 00: And then, and only then, reached the ultimate obviousness conclusion. [00:14:18] Speaker 00: And as I believe it was Judge Daik who quoted that conclusion, I just want to quote it again because I think it is entirely consistent with Novo Nordisk and the many other cases that have discussed this type of issue before. [00:14:31] Speaker 00: The conclusion is, quote, for the reasons discussed above, in view of all four grand factors, including alleged secondary considerations, [00:14:41] Speaker 00: Defendants have proven by clear and convincing evidence that all assertive claims are invalid as obvious under 35 USC section 103. [00:14:51] Speaker 00: That was the ultimate conclusion on the penultimate page of the decision, page 69. [00:14:58] Speaker 00: And that is a conclusion that Ameren completely ignored in both of its briefs, never once grappling with that conclusion. [00:15:06] Speaker 00: The Novo Nordisk case and the other cases from this court, post Novo Nordisk, got Amherst's lead argument in this case and defeats its hindsight theme. [00:15:22] Speaker 00: This case, there are no legal issues. [00:15:24] Speaker 00: There are no legitimate legal issues to address in this case. [00:15:28] Speaker 00: This is a clear error appeal based on a classic battle of the experts. [00:15:33] Speaker 00: seven days of trial, 70 pages of extensive analysis and fact finding in the decision. [00:15:43] Speaker 00: And all the fact findings are supported by the record and entitled to considerable deference. [00:15:50] Speaker 00: This court should affirm. [00:15:54] Speaker 00: We didn't get too much into the underlying facts and what was taught in the prior art, but I just want to highlight [00:16:01] Speaker 00: a few facts that really are undisputed and certainly support the trial court's findings in this case. [00:16:09] Speaker 00: One, the prior art actually used pure EPA to reduce triglycerides in patients who had levels above 500. [00:16:17] Speaker 00: It was actually done. [00:16:18] Speaker 00: The prior art used the claimed dose, four grams per day, to reduce triglycerides. [00:16:25] Speaker 00: And most importantly, the prior art uniformly [00:16:31] Speaker 00: without exception, when discussing the effect of pure EPA on LDL, said it doesn't increase LDL, or doesn't statistically significantly increase LDL. [00:16:44] Speaker 00: Every time. [00:16:45] Speaker 00: Amherst's entire argument for clear error is based on an analogous teaching away type theory. [00:16:54] Speaker 00: There is no actual teaching away. [00:16:56] Speaker 00: There is no teaching away theory with regard to prior art. [00:17:00] Speaker 00: with regard to purified EPA. [00:17:04] Speaker 00: Instead, AMRIN is advancing a teaching way by analogy theory saying that skilled artisans would have looked by analogy to other compounds such as fibrates. [00:17:16] Speaker 00: No one did that in the prior art. [00:17:18] Speaker 00: No one when assessing LDL effects of purified EPA looked at fibrates. [00:17:23] Speaker 00: No one even suspected that LDL [00:17:26] Speaker 00: for pure EPA would increase once you get above 500. [00:17:30] Speaker 00: And the Hayashi reference specifically tested LDL up to 400. [00:17:38] Speaker 00: The study included at least one patient over 500. [00:17:41] Speaker 00: And the broad conclusion of that reference was that purified EPA does not increase LDL. [00:17:48] Speaker 00: So there was ample support. [00:17:50] Speaker 00: for all of the court's findings with regard to the skepticism point that counsel raised. [00:17:57] Speaker 00: The court on page 69 of the appendix cited the Pharma Stem Therapeutics case, which held that it discounted testimony expressing surprise where there was no indication that either the declarant or members of his research group were previously aware of the prior art references that laid the groundwork for the inventor's experiments. [00:18:20] Speaker 00: Putting aside the fact that the evidence of skepticism here is incredibly weak. [00:18:25] Speaker 00: We're talking about the notes of one of the inventors that purportedly is characterizing a statement by one of the experts retained by Ameren. [00:18:35] Speaker 00: Even putting that aside, there's [00:18:39] Speaker 00: Amarin had the burden of production and there's no evidence that the person who made this statement was aware of Maury's teachings. [00:18:46] Speaker 00: In its brief, Amarin points to the fact that Maury was cited in the materials given to the experts, but did the expert read the materials? [00:18:54] Speaker 00: Did the materials don't necessarily discuss the teachings of Maury? [00:18:58] Speaker 00: Did the person who purportedly say this actually read Mori? [00:19:04] Speaker 00: Was the person aware of the Hayashi teaching? [00:19:07] Speaker 00: The skepticism point is not persuasive and certainly doesn't constitute clear error. [00:19:14] Speaker 00: I have no other affirmative points to make. [00:19:17] Speaker 00: And unless there are further questions, I will submit. [00:19:23] Speaker 02: OK. [00:19:23] Speaker 02: Hearing no further questions, thank you, Mr. Klein. [00:19:26] Speaker 02: Mr. Singer, you have two minutes. [00:19:29] Speaker 01: I'll just respond as to the point about the other drugs. [00:19:35] Speaker 01: The other drugs were clearly in the record compared with the fatty acids. [00:19:41] Speaker 01: These drugs were considered together by McKinney and the Bayes reference to which defendants have had no response, which the district court did not cite in its opinion. [00:19:50] Speaker 01: considering the phenomenon of LDLC going up in patients with severe hypertriglyceridemia and not going up in patients who did not have this disease. [00:20:02] Speaker 01: With respect, and the evidence on that is essentially unrebutted that the prior art at the time of the invention looked at those other drugs and didn't make the extrapolation that the district court made. [00:20:20] Speaker 01: And that is, on the factual side, the error that we've pointed to. [00:20:23] Speaker 01: With respect to the final point on the secondary indicia, with respect to the ultimate conclusion that defendants that say that we didn't grapple it, the district court talks about, in its ultimate conclusion, for the reasons discussed above. [00:20:38] Speaker 01: So the district court is referencing, of course, the prior portions of the opinion in that, and the errors made, as we've pointed out, with respect to the secondary indicia. [00:20:49] Speaker 01: the serious errors. [00:20:51] Speaker 01: Finally, with respect to one last point, with respect to the weighing of the secondary indicia against each other, I would urge the court to look at that paragraph on page 69. [00:21:03] Speaker 01: There is no other basis in the record given for finding that Amarin's case of secondary indicia were weak, other than, as district court said, however, these secondary considerations are outweighed the ones Amarin proved. [00:21:19] Speaker 01: by the fact that the court found plaintiffs' other proper secondary considerations favor defendants. [00:21:26] Speaker 01: Thus, at best, plaintiffs have presented weak evidence of the existence of secondary consideration which do not overcome the court's finding. [00:21:35] Speaker 01: Unless there are any further questions, Your Honor, I will submit. [00:21:38] Speaker 02: OK. [00:21:39] Speaker 02: Thank you, Mr. Sanger. [00:21:40] Speaker 02: Thank you, Mr. Klein. [00:21:41] Speaker 02: The case is submitted. [00:21:42] Speaker 02: That concludes our session for this morning. [00:21:45] Speaker 01: The Honorable Court is adjourned until tomorrow morning at 10 AM.