[00:00:02] Speaker 04: The United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit is now open and in session. [00:00:07] Speaker 04: God save the United States and this honorable court. [00:00:12] Speaker 04: Our first case for argument today is 20-1548 NOAA versus GSA. [00:00:21] Speaker 04: Please proceed, counsel. [00:00:25] Speaker 03: May it please the court? [00:00:27] Speaker 03: I am Diana Parks appearing on behalf of the appellant. [00:00:29] Speaker 03: Noah Maryland, LLC, who I will refer to as Noah Maryland or Lesor. [00:00:35] Speaker 03: Before this court is a question of interpretation of a thick and poorly drafted sentence of a tax adjustment clause of a GSA lease. [00:00:42] Speaker 03: This court must decide whether the board's determination of meaning is reasonable, logical, and internally consistent, as well as compliant with the rules of construction laid down by this court and the board in binding case law. [00:00:55] Speaker 02: This question is important. [00:00:58] Speaker 02: Toronto, can I just ask this? [00:01:00] Speaker 02: Would I be right in boiling down your position to the following? [00:01:04] Speaker 02: A tax is covered by 3.3a as long as it meets the first sentence's three requirements for being a real estate tax, namely it's assessed against the building or land without regard to the benefit to the property and for the purpose of funding general government services. [00:01:22] Speaker 02: And the second sentence does not in fact narrow the first. [00:01:27] Speaker 02: It simply enumerates situations in which impositions do not meet all three requirements of the first sentence. [00:01:34] Speaker 02: Is that fair? [00:01:36] Speaker 03: Yes, Your Honor, it is. [00:01:38] Speaker 03: I'd like to point out to the court that the second sentence actually contains the exact same language for excluding what is defined as a real estate tax as the first sentence of Section 3.38. [00:01:52] Speaker 03: which defines what is a real estate tax. [00:01:54] Speaker 03: And that appears to me to potentially have been a drafting error because the exclusion from the definition actually swallows the entire definition of what is a real estate tax and then exceeds it. [00:02:06] Speaker 03: We look at the distinction of what is a present or future tax as pertaining to the lessor [00:02:15] Speaker 03: to any taxes that are imposed against the left or. [00:02:18] Speaker 03: For example, Your Honor, in Florida there are taxes against rental receipts. [00:02:22] Speaker 02: Well, let me just ask this. [00:02:23] Speaker 02: I guess the way that I'm reading the second sentence is it just identifies a few situations. [00:02:32] Speaker 02: It is not in fact an exclusion of anything that would otherwise fall into sentence number one. [00:02:39] Speaker 02: It identifies a number of situations in every one of which [00:02:44] Speaker 02: at least one of the first sentence's three requirements is missing. [00:02:48] Speaker 02: And it simply clarifies that if all that you have is that, for example, the tax is opposed against the building or land, that's not enough. [00:02:58] Speaker 02: And it doesn't matter whether it's a present or future tax. [00:03:00] Speaker 02: And if it's a special assessment, that's not for general purposes. [00:03:04] Speaker 02: But nothing in the second sentence conflicts with and thereby narrows the first sentence. [00:03:11] Speaker 03: I believe that is correct, Your Honor, if I'm understanding the question. [00:03:18] Speaker 03: May I continue? [00:03:19] Speaker 02: Yes, please do. [00:03:21] Speaker 03: I was indicating that this is an important question because real estate tax reimbursements on this facility that are located in Prince George's County, Maryland, over a 23-year term impacts potentially millions of dollars of risk allocation between the landlord and the tenant, GSA, for real estate tax exposure. [00:03:39] Speaker 03: We view the board's interpretation of these succeeded taxes as both ambiguous and that the reasoning was inherently and internally inconsistent. [00:03:48] Speaker 03: And it renders portions of the same clause and even the same sentence utterly meaningless. [00:03:54] Speaker 03: Let's arrest the court to impose a two tried and true rule of contract interpretation. [00:04:01] Speaker 03: First, that ambiguity must be construed against the drafter. [00:04:05] Speaker 03: And second, that a reasonable meaning is given to all of the terms provided in a lease contract. [00:04:10] Speaker 03: Under this lease, GSA is responsible for any real estate tax increase over the base year taxes, with real estate taxes being defined under the tax adjustment clause, referenced by your honor at section 3.3A, as only those services, I'm sorry, only those taxes which are assessed against the building and or the land upon which the building is located, without regard to benefits to the property for the purpose of funding general government services. [00:04:39] Speaker 03: The lease also provides that real estate taxes shall not include without limitation general or special assessment, building improvement district assessment, or any other present or future taxes or government charges that are imposed upon the lessor or obsessed against the building or the land upon which the building is located. [00:04:58] Speaker 03: The board erred by focusing exclusively on the word future to exclude a clean water tax and an educational tax from a partial award made [00:05:09] Speaker 03: because these items were added to the tax bill in a line item format after lease commencement, thereby considering these future taxes and excluded from reimbursement. [00:05:20] Speaker 02: Can I ask you this? [00:05:22] Speaker 02: This is just Toronto again. [00:05:24] Speaker 02: Assume for purposes of this question that we were to reject what I think is the only ground on which the board [00:05:36] Speaker 02: said that the two taxes at issue here are not real estate taxes, we would then remand, right, for the board to consider whether each of these two taxes in fact meets all three requirements of the first sentence. [00:05:55] Speaker 03: Yes, Your Honor, that would be a suitable remedy. [00:06:03] Speaker 02: Please continue. [00:06:06] Speaker 03: I was explaining that Prince George's County began allocating certain taxes for governmental purposes after this lease was executed, which was on September 2nd, 2005, to provide and allow for more transparency to the community concerning the use of taxes, earmarking certain real estate taxes for, in this instance, the purposes of clean water tax, which occurred in 2013, Your Honor, and also supplemental educational tax passed in 2015. [00:06:35] Speaker 03: Based upon the board decision and GSA's interpretation of the lease, the GSA could reject all tax payments simply because the municipality decided to describe its use in a separate line item. [00:06:49] Speaker 03: This is evidenced by the fact that GSA just last year rejected a new solid waste charge on the tax bill for $19,460 because of its future nature as a new line item. [00:07:01] Speaker 03: Clearly, we all know that our taxes [00:07:05] Speaker 03: are covering the provision of governmental purposes such as clean water, education, and in many jurisdictions, solid waste removal. [00:07:13] Speaker 03: But because the bill is now describing it as a line item, the government, in this case, GSA, feels justified in not paying this tax because it is deemed a future tax. [00:07:24] Speaker 03: GSA's position on the education tax is especially perplexing as this is, in fact, the premier and universally funded purpose supported by real estate taxes throughout the country. [00:07:35] Speaker 03: The board relied upon a selective and illogical reading of its tax adjustment clause to find that these succeeded taxes are future taxes excluded from the lease definition of real estate taxes. [00:07:48] Speaker 00: I reference- Counselor, this is Judge Chen. [00:07:52] Speaker 00: For purposes of your appeal, I'm really just focused on these two sentences in this lease, and I'm looking at the second sentence right now. [00:08:03] Speaker 00: Yes, Your Honor. [00:08:04] Speaker 00: The key clause is the final clause about any other present or future taxes. [00:08:11] Speaker 00: And I was just wondering if we deleted the words any other present or, so it just went straight to future taxes of governmental charges. [00:08:28] Speaker 00: So the second sentence would read, real estate taxes shall not include without limitation. [00:08:33] Speaker 00: general and or special assessments, business improvement district assessments, or future taxes of governmental charges that are imposed upon a lessor or assessed against the building and or the land upon which the building is located. [00:08:48] Speaker 00: If the clause had been written that way, would you agree that it would be NOAA Maryland that's liable for these particular two taxes? [00:09:03] Speaker 03: I would. [00:09:04] Speaker 03: I think that's essentially what happened at the board, is that the board wrote out for any other present or future taxes. [00:09:13] Speaker 03: I propose to, well, we adhere to the position, Your Honor, that the more correct reading of this is that the firms and any other present or future taxes then is modifying or intending to describe the charges [00:09:33] Speaker 03: imposed upon the less or. [00:09:35] Speaker 00: So you read the word other as modifying both present taxes and future taxes, right? [00:09:42] Speaker 03: Yes, I believe that it's inappropriate to attribute meaning to future taxes with exclusion of the two words that are just prior to it being present or. [00:09:56] Speaker 03: I believe we have to read present or future taxes together, and I believe they are speaking about [00:10:01] Speaker 03: present or future taxes that are imposed upon the lessor. [00:10:06] Speaker 03: So I believe that that makes some sense that we can indicate that present or future taxes or governmental charges that are imposed against the lessor would absolutely work in the traditional definition of what is a real estate tax. [00:10:20] Speaker 03: It comports with the way that the parties were in fact utilizing this tax provision prior to the dispute about future taxes. [00:10:28] Speaker 03: and it certainly complies with my client's understanding of what was to be paid here. [00:10:33] Speaker 03: If we were to take any other present or future taxes and apply it across the board to the rest of this sentence, I propose that the definition becomes so broad that it exceeds and swallows entirely the first sentence of section 3.3 of the tax adjustment clause, which is going too far. [00:10:55] Speaker 03: Regrettably, [00:10:57] Speaker 03: There seems to be some missing punctuation. [00:11:01] Speaker 03: I offer to the board or to the court that if we were to put literally a comma after the word lessor, that too is helpful in providing some meaning and breaks because present or future taxes or governmental charges that are imposed against the lessor would make sense. [00:11:19] Speaker 03: Those are taxes which would not travel with the land. [00:11:21] Speaker 03: They are not levied against the land. [00:11:23] Speaker 03: They are against the landlord. [00:11:24] Speaker 03: And for instance, I gave you examples in Florida of such attacks. [00:11:30] Speaker 04: Okay, Ms. [00:11:31] Speaker 04: Parks, we'll save the remainder of your time for rebuttal. [00:11:33] Speaker 04: Mr. McAdams. [00:11:40] Speaker 01: Good morning and may it please the court. [00:11:42] Speaker 01: Your Honor, I have five brief points I'd like to make today. [00:11:46] Speaker 01: First, the contract unambiguously excludes from GSA's real estate tax liability [00:11:51] Speaker 01: future or new taxes that were not contemplated by the parties at the time of contracting in 2005. [00:11:58] Speaker 02: Mr. McKenna, this is Judge Toronto. [00:11:59] Speaker 02: It seems to me that whatever else can be said, it does not unambiguously say that. [00:12:07] Speaker 02: I mean, you can just assert that it's unambiguous. [00:12:10] Speaker 02: I will tell you, I do not find it unambiguous, and I tend rather to find it the other way. [00:12:15] Speaker 02: So make an argument for the proposition rather than just asserting the conclusion. [00:12:22] Speaker 01: Yes, Your Honor. [00:12:24] Speaker 01: Well, looking to the exclusionary provision, the language shows that GSA's, or the limitation was supposed to be a broad limitation on GSA's real estate tax liability. [00:12:41] Speaker 02: So upon the time... Many provisions in statutes and contracts when there are two sentences or provisions next to each other and the second one is supposed to carve out [00:12:52] Speaker 02: covered that would otherwise be present in the first provision, they say notwithstanding that or provided however that, this second sentence doesn't have carve out language and it seems to me it is very easy to read as completely consistent with the first sentence, not as carving out an exception to something that would otherwise be covered in the first sentence. [00:13:19] Speaker 02: which I should say is not temporarily limited at all. [00:13:23] Speaker 02: There's no time language in the first sentence. [00:13:28] Speaker 01: Respectfully, Your Honor, we disagree. [00:13:30] Speaker 01: We believe that GSA's liability at the time of contracting extended to or incurred liability for those then present taxes that satisfied [00:13:45] Speaker 01: the definition in the contract of a real estate tax. [00:13:48] Speaker 02: Where is their language in the first sentence about then present? [00:13:54] Speaker 01: The present language is in the second sentence, Your Honor, and when appropriately understood in conjunction with the first sentence, the reference to other present taxes should be understood to refer to taxes that fall outside of the category of [00:14:15] Speaker 01: of real estate taxes as defined in the preceding census. [00:14:21] Speaker 01: And additionally, beyond precluding and excluding from GSA's liability other than present taxes, the exclusionary provision excluded from GSA's liability future taxes imposed after the contract was executed, irrespective of whether those future taxes may otherwise presently satisfy [00:14:44] Speaker 01: the definition of a real estate tax. [00:14:48] Speaker 00: This is Judge Chen. [00:14:50] Speaker 00: Just to drill down so I can, I mean, I understand what your position is, but I don't quite understand why you're holding that position when we're looking at the text of Section 3.3A. [00:15:03] Speaker 00: Is it your view that when you look at the second sentence and specifically the final clause as to any other present or future taxes, that the word other [00:15:14] Speaker 00: modifies only present but does not modify future. [00:15:19] Speaker 00: So you read that final clause as referring to any other present taxes as well as any future taxes. [00:15:28] Speaker 00: Because my initial inclination would be to read it as any other present taxes or any other future taxes. [00:15:37] Speaker 00: Now, what is your position on this question? [00:15:41] Speaker 01: Your understanding is correct, Your Honor. [00:15:44] Speaker 01: So when GSA incurred its liability for real estate taxes at the time of contracting in 2005... I'm sorry. [00:15:53] Speaker 00: I'm not ready to hear a story just yet. [00:15:55] Speaker 00: I'm just really focused on how to understand this clause. [00:16:00] Speaker 00: And like another way to ask the question is what if you took out the words present or future? [00:16:07] Speaker 00: And so that final clause [00:16:09] Speaker 00: simply says any other taxes of governmental charges that are imposed upon the lessor or assessed against the building and or the land upon which the building is located. [00:16:21] Speaker 00: Would the board's analysis of this provision still be correct? [00:16:28] Speaker 00: Or would you agree that under those circumstances, if that final clause just said any other taxes, then [00:16:39] Speaker 00: then that wouldn't exclude the possibility of the taxes we're talking about here, these clean water and education taxes. [00:16:49] Speaker 01: To be clear, Your Honor, is Your Honor's question if the word future taxes were removed? [00:16:56] Speaker 00: No, it's the word present or future. [00:16:58] Speaker 00: So it just says any other taxes. [00:17:08] Speaker 00: Would you agree with Noah Maryland's position about these taxes potentially being real estate taxes? [00:17:18] Speaker 01: In that hypothetical potentially, Your Honor, if there was not a prescription against liability for future taxes that were not imposed at the time of contracting, it's [00:17:29] Speaker 01: it's possible presuming those taxes otherwise satisfied. [00:17:32] Speaker 00: Well, I don't know. [00:17:32] Speaker 00: You're answering a question I'm afraid is different than my question. [00:17:37] Speaker 00: If it just said any other taxes, you would agree that the board reading of the overall provision could not stand, right? [00:17:49] Speaker 00: If future were not in the contract, that would... Present or future, present or future, all three of those words were deleted. [00:17:59] Speaker 00: Would you agree? [00:17:59] Speaker 01: In that hypothetical, yes, your honor, because the board's decision... Okay, that's fine. [00:18:06] Speaker 00: The next question is, what is it about the addition of these three extra words, present or future, into the phrase any other taxes, all of a sudden is pivotal and forces a different outcome? [00:18:22] Speaker 01: So the inclusion of present or future taxes is [00:18:26] Speaker 00: what serves in this sentence or in these two sentences to create the two categories, Your Honor, that... Well, I'm trying to understand why does any other present or future taxes mean something different than any other taxes. [00:18:44] Speaker 00: To me, right now, they sound like the exact same thing. [00:18:55] Speaker 01: If I'm understanding Your Honor's question correctly, the inclusion of those words are what serve to create the categories of those things that fall outside, temporally speaking, GSA's liability that it incurred in 2005, Your Honor. [00:19:23] Speaker 00: Let me just get, okay, so any other present or future taxes, the board's decision should be affirmed. [00:19:29] Speaker 00: If it just said any other taxes, the board's decision has to be reversed. [00:19:35] Speaker 00: That's the government's position. [00:19:41] Speaker 01: In a hypothetical, Your Honor, where present or future taxes was not included in the provision, it's possible that... Any other taxes, if it just said any other taxes. [00:19:52] Speaker 00: I heard you say that you would agree that the board's decision couldn't stand. [00:20:04] Speaker 01: Possibly, Your Honor, but here the words are included and the prescription on liability for future taxes is unambiguous and precluded liability for the two taxes that are at issue here that were imposed in 2013 [00:20:21] Speaker 01: and 2015 respectively. [00:20:23] Speaker 01: And with that correct interpretation in mind, the board correctly denied recovery for those taxes. [00:20:30] Speaker 02: Mr. McAnam, this is Judge Taranto. [00:20:32] Speaker 02: Can I just ask this? [00:20:35] Speaker 02: The board for these two taxes rested its decision only on this future word. [00:20:42] Speaker 02: Do you or did you have other arguments about why [00:20:48] Speaker 02: one or more of the three requirements of the first sentence would not be met by these two taxes? [00:20:57] Speaker 01: Not at this time, Your Honor. [00:20:59] Speaker 02: No, but before the board. [00:21:02] Speaker 02: I mean, did you say, here's one reason that these two taxes are not within this provision, and that's the future reason, but we also have other reasons like, [00:21:15] Speaker 02: It's not for general public purposes or whatever. [00:21:21] Speaker 02: There are three requirements in the first sentence. [00:21:24] Speaker 02: Do you make other arguments about those? [00:21:27] Speaker 01: Yes, Judge. [00:21:28] Speaker 01: At the Board, the GSA argued that the two taxes that are at issue here were not for purposes of funding general government services. [00:21:37] Speaker 01: The Board rejected that position, and we, the Department of Justice, did not seek [00:21:43] Speaker 01: the Solicitor General's concurrence to cross-appeal on that issue. [00:21:51] Speaker 01: So we are not arguing that here, Judge. [00:21:55] Speaker 02: Does that suggest that if we were to reject the future point, we reverse outright and don't have a remand because you haven't argued in the alternatives what I think you just identified as the only other [00:22:11] Speaker 02: argument that you raised below about non-coverage under this 3.3 provision of these two taxes? [00:22:23] Speaker 01: No, Judge. [00:22:23] Speaker 01: I would agree with Council for NOAA that if the Court disagreed with the Board's position insofar as the future language was operative, the appropriate remedy would be [00:22:36] Speaker 01: a remand. [00:22:37] Speaker 02: But do I understand you're right to say that the board has already rejected that? [00:22:43] Speaker 02: The only other position that you argue? [00:22:48] Speaker 01: The board rejected the point about... I'm looking for a quick note here, Your Honor, if I may just have a moment. [00:23:25] Speaker 01: Well, Your Honor, I would just say the Board did not undertake a full factual assessment as it did with the two taxes that Noah recovered for at the Board to assess the nature of the taxes and discern within the framework that the Board applied whether the taxes otherwise satisfy the definition of a real estate tax. [00:23:50] Speaker 01: And as this Court, as an appellate Court, [00:23:54] Speaker 01: not best suited to make factual findings in the first instance if the court disagrees. [00:24:01] Speaker 04: Well, this is Judge Moore. [00:24:02] Speaker 04: As I understand Judge Sharonto's question, did you make arguments that these were not a real estate tax within that rubric that are yet to be decided by the lower tribunal? [00:24:14] Speaker 04: That's the concern. [00:24:16] Speaker 04: Is there anything left to do in this case that you actually preserved and argued? [00:24:27] Speaker 01: If I may just have a moment, Your Honor. [00:24:47] Speaker 01: So, Your Honor, while we, GSA argued at the Board against the finding that these were real estate taxes [00:24:58] Speaker 01: Based on the prong of the real estate definition in the contract, referring to funding of general government services, the two other prongs of the definition were not ultimately assessed by the board. [00:25:15] Speaker 01: The board did not undertake, again, that same factual analysis for these two disputed taxes that it did with the other two taxes for which NOAA recovered. [00:25:26] Speaker 04: I guess I'll try one last time. [00:25:28] Speaker 04: Did you contest the other two factors? [00:25:35] Speaker 01: I do not have a specific answer for the court on that question right now, though I'm happy to provide an additional answer through supplemental briefing if the court should desire. [00:25:50] Speaker 01: And so I would add, Your Honors, that here NOAA is confusing GSA's real estate tax adjustment liability for an obligation to pay future taxes imposed after the execution of the contract. [00:26:05] Speaker 01: We would also add that NOAA's profit alternative of the exclusionary provision isn't plausible insofar as it takes what we understand to be a broad exclusion and narrow it to merely refer to [00:26:20] Speaker 01: assessments that are mentioned in the second provision of the definition. [00:26:24] Speaker 02: Mr. McAdams, this is Joe Toronto. [00:26:25] Speaker 02: Can I ask you one very specific question? [00:26:27] Speaker 02: So on, I think, appendix page five, which is also, I guess, page five of the board opinion, there's a little section called the tax adjustment clause. [00:26:37] Speaker 02: And in the one longish paragraph, there's a discussion of several other decisions, claims court, board, [00:26:49] Speaker 02: about the term real estate taxes. [00:26:54] Speaker 02: Did one or I think there's three cases cited, did they involve the same contractual language as we have in front of us or just real estate taxes but not part of a provision that mirrors this two sentence 3.3 provision? [00:27:21] Speaker 01: I do not have a specific answer for Your Honor. [00:27:27] Speaker 01: I believe, though, that they did not concern this specific provision. [00:27:33] Speaker 01: Okay. [00:27:34] Speaker 01: Okay. [00:27:34] Speaker 04: Thank you, Mr. Adams. [00:27:35] Speaker 04: Ms. [00:27:36] Speaker 04: Parks, you have some rebuttal time. [00:27:38] Speaker 04: Please proceed. [00:27:52] Speaker 04: Ms. [00:27:52] Speaker 04: Parks, you may be muted. [00:27:53] Speaker 04: We can't hear you. [00:28:01] Speaker 03: My apologies. [00:28:03] Speaker 03: I request that my time begins now. [00:28:04] Speaker 03: I was offering to answer the question of the judge concerning the tax adjustment clause in this lease versus other GSA leases, which it is a standard clause in the other cases that were discussed by the board. [00:28:19] Speaker 03: on page five of the decision, City Crescent Limited Partnership, the United States, and Wright Run Stat Properties Limited Partnership, the United States. [00:28:27] Speaker 03: This lease, Your Honor, is extremely unique. [00:28:30] Speaker 03: This was a ground lease that was acquired by the GSA and assigned to the developer. [00:28:36] Speaker 03: That meant that the GSA selected the site. [00:28:39] Speaker 03: The GSA selected the site. [00:28:40] Speaker 02: I'm sorry, I'm confused about something. [00:28:42] Speaker 02: I'm not about the specifics. [00:28:45] Speaker 02: You segued very quickly from, [00:28:47] Speaker 02: This contract language is just like the contract language in these other provisions, and then you segue it into this one is completely unique. [00:28:56] Speaker 02: Do you mean unique in ways having nothing to do with this particular language? [00:29:02] Speaker 03: Ways, Your Honor, that do impact this language. [00:29:04] Speaker 03: This was a credit tenant lease, meaning that a significant portion of the risk was undertaken by the government. [00:29:10] Speaker 03: It was intended to essentially be a triple net lease. [00:29:13] Speaker 03: meaning that taxes paid over the real estate tax base, which was negotiated and specifically amended by my client in lease amendment 11, was the standard. [00:29:24] Speaker 03: You pay over and above those taxes. [00:29:28] Speaker 03: Another exploration of that idea is that something called CCNRs was also paid for by the government. [00:29:34] Speaker 03: These were costs [00:29:36] Speaker 03: associated with the site. [00:29:37] Speaker 03: Site, again, selected by the government. [00:29:40] Speaker 03: So this lease is unique. [00:29:42] Speaker 03: It's a 3517X credit tenant lease, very unique vehicle used by GSA in this instance, because it was a very expensive facility. [00:29:51] Speaker 03: Unique lease term, unique provisions. [00:29:54] Speaker 03: So the tax clause in this particular lease was unique. [00:29:57] Speaker 03: And it's not precisely the same standard GSA tax clause. [00:30:01] Speaker 03: It's not precisely the same language that was explored in Crescent [00:30:06] Speaker 03: uh... city crescent limited partnership or in right ronstadt property however those are binding case law they define what is the real estate tax and they work perfectly with the first sentence of section three point three the appellant is before this court to ask that the interpretation applied to the gsa drafted tax clause be intellectually honest and reasonable and that it will hold the government to the original bargain that it makes which is to pay [00:30:34] Speaker 03: for real estate tax increases over and above the base. [00:30:38] Speaker 03: And if we were to utilize the second sentence the way that the government has thought and to some extent been successful at the board, we have the ability for the government to avoid future taxes, which can mean essentially anything in terms of a jurisdiction that does certain line items as this one does, despite the fact that all of the charges are for [00:31:02] Speaker 03: general governmental purposes recognized under this case law as appropriate for inclusion as a defined real estate tax. [00:31:13] Speaker 03: I would also like to point out that while certainly Maryland would accept the remand, I do believe that it is appropriate for this court to outright overturn the decision because the government has not preserved [00:31:30] Speaker 03: its ability to argue that the case decided by the board missed points concerning whether these taxes in dispute are in fact appropriately determined to be real estate taxes. [00:31:44] Speaker 03: We certainly argued at the board that they were. [00:31:46] Speaker 03: I believe we've also argued at the court that they are. [00:31:50] Speaker 03: The statutes under which these taxes are authorized are not the statutes [00:31:57] Speaker 03: under the print storage's code that applies to special assessments, these taxes are all. [00:32:05] Speaker 03: Let me give you an example. [00:32:13] Speaker 04: Okay, I thank both councils. [00:32:15] Speaker 04: This case is taken under submission.