[00:00:00] Speaker 03: Our next case this morning is number 221137 in Roche Diabetes Care. [00:00:07] Speaker 03: OK, Mr. Brockland. [00:00:09] Speaker 02: May it please the court. [00:00:10] Speaker 02: Good morning. [00:00:12] Speaker 02: My name is Gene Brockland. [00:00:14] Speaker 02: And together with Jennifer LaCroix, we represent Appellant Roche Diabetes Care, whose application for a patent on a glucose monitoring device was improperly rejected, we believe, for obviousness. [00:00:28] Speaker 02: asking that this court reverse and remand the board's decision finding that claims 25 through 45 are rendered obvious in light of Nagakawa and in view of Buller, a finding that we believe is clearly erroneous. [00:00:46] Speaker 02: We ask the court keep in mind three key points from the prior art. [00:00:51] Speaker 02: First, Nagakawa is completely silent about regarding adding [00:00:57] Speaker 02: adjuvants and particularly a gelling agent to its reagent. [00:01:03] Speaker 02: Second, Nagakawa nonetheless requires that its reagent forms a liquid phase reaction system with rapidly diffusing reactants. [00:01:14] Speaker 02: And third, Buller provides, Buller the secondary reference, provides no guidance as to which adjuvants would enhance which reagent properties. [00:01:27] Speaker 02: In light of those points, we believe the board erred in finding obviousness, because there was simply no reason to pluck a gelling agent from bowler and add it to the reagent of Nagakawa. [00:01:41] Speaker 02: And second, doing so would render Nagakawa unsatisfactory for its intended purpose. [00:01:49] Speaker 02: Furthermore, the board committed reversible error when it shifted the burden to Roche [00:01:54] Speaker 02: to establish that combining a gelling agent from Buller with the reagent of Nagakawa would not work. [00:02:03] Speaker 02: That's not Rocha's burden in this case. [00:02:06] Speaker 02: The patent office bears the burden. [00:02:08] Speaker 04: Did you provide evidence to that effect? [00:02:12] Speaker 02: Evidence to the fact of it being unsatisfactory for its intended purpose. [00:02:21] Speaker 02: We believe, Your Honor, that the evidence is simply there on its face, that a gelling agent gels. [00:02:30] Speaker 02: And there was no reason for the examiner to pluck that gelling agent from a laundry list of adjuvants, where you've got 11 different adjuvants that are listed. [00:02:44] Speaker 02: And one of them is a gelling agent. [00:02:46] Speaker 02: And by the plain language of a gelling agent, [00:02:50] Speaker 04: Its purpose is to- What do you mean by clean on its face? [00:02:54] Speaker 04: Sounds to me like this is attorney argument, not evidence. [00:03:01] Speaker 02: Well, Your Honor, I think that words, I think it's more than attorney argument. [00:03:05] Speaker 02: I think that words have a plain meaning. [00:03:09] Speaker 02: And the plain meaning of a gelling agent is something that gels. [00:03:15] Speaker 02: Evidence is required to establish that a gelling agent gels. [00:03:21] Speaker 04: This is a substantial evidence case. [00:03:23] Speaker 02: It is, Your Honor. [00:03:24] Speaker 04: So we're looking for evidence. [00:03:26] Speaker 02: I understand that, Your Honor. [00:03:28] Speaker 02: And you're right that this is a substantial evidence case. [00:03:32] Speaker 02: But there is simply no evidence that a gelling agent would be satisfactory or help in Nagakawa. [00:03:44] Speaker 02: And there has to be some reason. [00:03:46] Speaker 02: There has to be some reason for one skilled in the art to pluck the gelling agent out of this laundry list of adjuvants. [00:03:54] Speaker 02: And there was simply no reason. [00:03:55] Speaker 03: I don't understand that. [00:03:58] Speaker 03: I mean, Bueller says a gelling agent is an adjunct that has benefits. [00:04:04] Speaker 03: It's not plucking it out from a list. [00:04:08] Speaker 03: It's in the list. [00:04:09] Speaker 02: It is in the list, Your Honor. [00:04:10] Speaker 03: It is being desirable and helpful. [00:04:13] Speaker 02: The problem with Bowler is it just says that adjuvants generally are helpful for reagents. [00:04:24] Speaker 02: That's all Bowler really says. [00:04:25] Speaker 02: It doesn't say how the adjuvants would help the reagent or what impact the adjuvants would have. [00:04:34] Speaker 03: You want to use examples of how they can be helpful, right? [00:04:39] Speaker 02: It gives examples, but the examples are very vague, your honor. [00:04:44] Speaker 02: And for instance, it lists, among that list, it includes coloring agents. [00:04:53] Speaker 02: It's unfathomable to me that a coloring agent could possibly be of any benefit in Nagakawa. [00:05:01] Speaker 02: And so that- It makes it easier to read the test results. [00:05:08] Speaker 02: But that's not what Nagakawa is all about. [00:05:11] Speaker 02: Nagakawa is all about. [00:05:13] Speaker 03: It doesn't have to be what Nagakawa is about. [00:05:15] Speaker 03: It's, Mueller says, that's a benefit to using some of these agents. [00:05:23] Speaker 02: That's correct, Your Honor. [00:05:24] Speaker 02: But the purpose of Nagakawa is to speed analysis time. [00:05:30] Speaker 02: And so the question is. [00:05:32] Speaker 01: But that's not Nagakawa's sole objective, right? [00:05:34] Speaker 01: It's not just speed. [00:05:35] Speaker 01: There are other objectives there, too. [00:05:37] Speaker 01: Accuracy and stability, I think, are also listed. [00:05:42] Speaker 02: You're right, Your Honor, that there are other objectives to Nagakawa. [00:05:46] Speaker 02: But the main objective of it, I believe, on a fair reading is that it's about reducing analysis time. [00:05:53] Speaker 02: And that's why it talks about the framework for the physical structure. [00:05:59] Speaker 01: But not reduce the analysis time at the expense of accuracy or stability, right? [00:06:08] Speaker 02: You're right, Your Honor. [00:06:09] Speaker 02: Nobody wants to solely focus on analysis time at the expense of other important objectives. [00:06:16] Speaker 02: That's correct. [00:06:18] Speaker 01: And while I've got you, do you also agree that Nakakawa and Bueller are directed to the same field, glucose testing? [00:06:26] Speaker 02: Generally, they're directed to the same field. [00:06:29] Speaker 02: But the fact that they're just directed to the same field is insufficient to allow the board to shift the burden to Roche to combat [00:06:43] Speaker 03: I don't think you have much of an argument that they shifted the burden of references in there, which we find frequently in board decisions about. [00:06:54] Speaker 03: One, the patentee hasn't shown this or shown that. [00:06:57] Speaker 03: That doesn't, we've repeatedly said that that kind of language doesn't indicate a burden shifting. [00:07:04] Speaker 02: But I understand that, Your Honor. [00:07:07] Speaker 02: But I think the effect of what the court did, of what the board did, was say, you know, Rose, you have to come forward and rebut this. [00:07:18] Speaker 02: And I don't think that was the proper burden to place on Rose here. [00:07:24] Speaker 02: And I don't think that where the board failed and the examiner failed is to provide a reason. [00:07:34] Speaker 02: a reason that one skilled in the art would choose the gelling agent and have a reasonable opportunity of success. [00:07:41] Speaker 02: And that's what the case law does require, is that there be a reasonable opportunity of success. [00:07:49] Speaker 02: And there's nothing in Bowler to suggest that there would be a reasonable opportunity of success when one takes the gelling agent and combines it with the reagent. [00:08:04] Speaker 02: of Naga Kawa. [00:08:07] Speaker 04: Is this the viscosity argument that it actually slows down the Naga Kawa process? [00:08:15] Speaker 02: Well, there is a viscosity issue. [00:08:17] Speaker 02: But I think it's been discussed, perhaps, incorrectly in the briefing. [00:08:25] Speaker 02: The viscosity issue with Naga Kawa was talking about the viscosity of the sample, not of the reagent. [00:08:35] Speaker 02: And so it's not a matter of the viscosity of the reagent. [00:08:43] Speaker 02: In Nagakawa, they were concerned about the viscosity of the sample, the blood sample. [00:08:51] Speaker 04: And the problem with the gelling agent is that it is going to... I thought your argument was that the viscosity of the gelling agent slowed down the process of Nagakawa. [00:09:05] Speaker 04: that it didn't. [00:09:06] Speaker 04: Whereas a claim in advance of Niagara-Kawa was to speed up a reading, using a gelling agent that's got a high level of viscosity in it would actually slow it down. [00:09:18] Speaker 04: And therefore, Niagara-Kawa cannot be an appropriate prior reference. [00:09:24] Speaker 02: And perhaps I must misspoke, Your Honor. [00:09:26] Speaker 02: I do believe that the problem with the gelling agent is the high viscosity. [00:09:32] Speaker 02: And that is going to slow reaction time. [00:09:36] Speaker 02: I think my time is up, and I'll reserve the remainder for rebuttal. [00:09:42] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:09:42] Speaker 03: Ms. [00:09:42] Speaker 03: Caprahan? [00:09:44] Speaker 00: Good morning, Your Honors, and may it please the court. [00:09:46] Speaker 00: I would only like to address a few points today. [00:09:49] Speaker 00: First, there is sufficient evidence here for the board to rely on that there was a motivation to add the gelling agent from Buller into Nagakawa's reagent layer. [00:09:59] Speaker 00: And that is expressed at 8 ppx 5 and 6 of the decision. [00:10:02] Speaker 00: Second, as to appellant's argument that adding a gelling agent would render Nagakawa unsatisfactory for its objective purpose, as the board properly found, the appellant here did not present any evidence in support of that argument. [00:10:18] Speaker 00: And further, the record evidence actually shows that adding gelling agents was known and conventional in the art, and that Nagakawa would work for its intended purpose. [00:10:29] Speaker 00: And third, the examiner here established its prima facie burden. [00:10:33] Speaker 00: And therefore, the board's decision was properly grounded in section 103 based on the combination of Buller and Akakawa. [00:10:43] Speaker 00: If there are no further questions, I will yield the rest of my time. [00:10:52] Speaker 03: Mr. Rocklin, anything further? [00:10:55] Speaker 02: Yes, just briefly, in rebuttal, [00:10:59] Speaker 02: Bowler simply says that adjuvants have benefits. [00:11:02] Speaker 02: And we don't dispute that, that adjuvants have benefits. [00:11:06] Speaker 02: But it does not express a preference for a gelling agent. [00:11:11] Speaker 02: And there's no reason to pick that gelling agent from a list of adjuvants that generally have benefits for reagents. [00:11:25] Speaker 02: one skilled in the art to sit down and look at Buller and say, out of this list of 11 adjuvants that generally have benefits for reagents, I'm going to choose gelling agents. [00:11:39] Speaker 02: There was no reason to do that and to look now and say that Buller renders Nagatawa obvious is simply hindsight. [00:11:54] Speaker 02: The board should not engage in hindsight. [00:11:57] Speaker 02: It has to be obvious on its face from the prior art. [00:12:02] Speaker 02: It simply was not obvious on its face that Buller, and particularly one specific adjutant out of 11 in Buller, should be added to the Nagakawa reagent. [00:12:18] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:12:18] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:12:18] Speaker 03: Thank both counsel. [00:12:19] Speaker 03: The case is submitted.